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		<title>By: Nino Gonzales</title>
		<link>http://www.alexmaximo.com/2007/03/yes-and-we-have-more-jologs-discussions-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-378</link>
		<dc:creator>Nino Gonzales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 03:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are right. You are the 2nd blogger to tell me that the scope of the study--Jologs--has grown beyond the definition I used (Paolo Manalo&#039;s). Since I&#039;m too lazy to enlarge the &quot;study,&quot; I&#039;ll just specify my scope better. When I have the time, I&#039;ll update the first section to &quot;Scope: Jologs as the Poor Urban Youth of Manila.&quot;

I&#039;m also interested in seeing a critical discourse analysis of the jologs. I saw your taglish article on this. I agree. The jologs discourse is a discourse of the middle-class. Let me be more specific: it is the discourse of the Manilenyo middle class. As you pointed out (and I did as well in the study), practically all discussions of jologs are from people belonging to the middle class of Manila.

Here&#039;s a snippent what I posted in Paolo Manalo&#039;s blog regarding this:
&quot;One of the more important assertions that the study makes is on the evolution of the term, which reflects the evolution of the concept of Jologs. I am getting more and more convinced that Jologs is a creation of the middle-class, if I may borrow what seems to be a generally accepted delineation of Manila sub-cultures: upper-class, middle-class and lower-class; or the more PC Market AB, Market C and Market DE.

The word seems to be an exact fit of how the C views the DE, particularly its youth. The mixture of contempt and affection which the word Jologs seems to carry seems to be a reflection on how the middle-class views the Jologs. On one hand, it is clear that it has (or had) a derogatory meaning, reflecting the scorn of the educated and established on the hoi polloi. On the other hand, the same people seem to also identify with the Jologs. I think this is because the CD&amp;E are sharers of pinoy pop culture. Isn&#039;t the familiarity with Sharon Cuneta, That&#039;s Entertainment and Eat Bulaga the unmistakable signs of kajologan? And aren&#039;t these exactly the things that the CD&amp;E have in common?

Jologs, I think, is a middle-class paradigm. When one studies the Jologs, I think one will end up knowing more about the creator of the Jologs rather than the Jologs themselves. When one looks at a painting, wouldn&#039;t one know more about the painter rather than the subject? And since meanings and paradigms are not static, a deeper study of the Jologs will also show the evolution of how the middle looks at the lower.&quot;
http://paolomanalo.blogspot.com/2006/02/jologs-on-wikipedia.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are right. You are the 2nd blogger to tell me that the scope of the study&#8211;Jologs&#8211;has grown beyond the definition I used (Paolo Manalo&#8217;s). Since I&#8217;m too lazy to enlarge the &#8220;study,&#8221; I&#8217;ll just specify my scope better. When I have the time, I&#8217;ll update the first section to &#8220;Scope: Jologs as the Poor Urban Youth of Manila.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also interested in seeing a critical discourse analysis of the jologs. I saw your taglish article on this. I agree. The jologs discourse is a discourse of the middle-class. Let me be more specific: it is the discourse of the Manilenyo middle class. As you pointed out (and I did as well in the study), practically all discussions of jologs are from people belonging to the middle class of Manila.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a snippent what I posted in Paolo Manalo&#8217;s blog regarding this:<br />
&#8220;One of the more important assertions that the study makes is on the evolution of the term, which reflects the evolution of the concept of Jologs. I am getting more and more convinced that Jologs is a creation of the middle-class, if I may borrow what seems to be a generally accepted delineation of Manila sub-cultures: upper-class, middle-class and lower-class; or the more PC Market AB, Market C and Market DE.</p>
<p>The word seems to be an exact fit of how the C views the DE, particularly its youth. The mixture of contempt and affection which the word Jologs seems to carry seems to be a reflection on how the middle-class views the Jologs. On one hand, it is clear that it has (or had) a derogatory meaning, reflecting the scorn of the educated and established on the hoi polloi. On the other hand, the same people seem to also identify with the Jologs. I think this is because the CD&amp;E are sharers of pinoy pop culture. Isn&#8217;t the familiarity with Sharon Cuneta, That&#8217;s Entertainment and Eat Bulaga the unmistakable signs of kajologan? And aren&#8217;t these exactly the things that the CD&amp;E have in common?</p>
<p>Jologs, I think, is a middle-class paradigm. When one studies the Jologs, I think one will end up knowing more about the creator of the Jologs rather than the Jologs themselves. When one looks at a painting, wouldn&#8217;t one know more about the painter rather than the subject? And since meanings and paradigms are not static, a deeper study of the Jologs will also show the evolution of how the middle looks at the lower.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://paolomanalo.blogspot.com/2006/02/jologs-on-wikipedia.html" rel="nofollow">http://paolomanalo.blogspot.com/2006/02/jologs-on-wikipedia.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.alexmaximo.com/2007/03/yes-and-we-have-more-jologs-discussions-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great take, Nino!

There are many ways to approach the study of &quot;jologs.&quot; But in my opinion it&#039;s best to be tackled through a critical discourse analysis framework that uses a cross-disciplinary approach to it.As a word, the framework should include a linguistic, sociological, and anthropological bases to it, discussing how &quot;jologs&quot; came to be, how it is used, how people perceive it, how the socio-cultural background affects the whole process of user.

I think what&#039;s difficult in doing a study about &quot;jologs&quot; in this point in time is the fact that it has evolved to a far more complex concept than to label the &lt;em&gt;masa&lt;/em&gt;. That even Sir Paolo&#039;s etymologies can&#039;t quite hold them anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great take, Nino!</p>
<p>There are many ways to approach the study of &#8220;jologs.&#8221; But in my opinion it&#8217;s best to be tackled through a critical discourse analysis framework that uses a cross-disciplinary approach to it.As a word, the framework should include a linguistic, sociological, and anthropological bases to it, discussing how &#8220;jologs&#8221; came to be, how it is used, how people perceive it, how the socio-cultural background affects the whole process of user.</p>
<p>I think what&#8217;s difficult in doing a study about &#8220;jologs&#8221; in this point in time is the fact that it has evolved to a far more complex concept than to label the <em>masa</em>. That even Sir Paolo&#8217;s etymologies can&#8217;t quite hold them anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Nino Gonzales</title>
		<link>http://www.alexmaximo.com/2007/03/yes-and-we-have-more-jologs-discussions-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-200</link>
		<dc:creator>Nino Gonzales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the jologs phenomenon quite interesting as well... in fact I wrote a &quot;study&quot; on it... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nino_Gonzales/jologs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the jologs phenomenon quite interesting as well&#8230; in fact I wrote a &#8220;study&#8221; on it&#8230; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nino_Gonzales/jologs" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nino_Gonzales/jologs</a></p>
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		<title>By: Atheista &#124; Jologs-Fixated</title>
		<link>http://www.alexmaximo.com/2007/03/yes-and-we-have-more-jologs-discussions-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>Atheista &#124; Jologs-Fixated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his work also set off a deluge of similarly themed articles that either showed all out disdain, pure amusement and a perfect opportunity to make fun of one&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.alexmaximo.com/2007/03/yes-and-we-have-more-jologs-discussions-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-166</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I believe most Ateneans still know how to practice most of these 5Cs in flashes of brilliance I guess. Hehehe. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I believe most Ateneans still know how to practice most of these 5Cs in flashes of brilliance I guess. Hehehe. <img src='http://www.alexmaximo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://www.alexmaximo.com/2007/03/yes-and-we-have-more-jologs-discussions-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the 5C&#039;s will remain on the walls of each classroom in the AHS. But we do instill these unconsciously, or so I hope :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the 5C&#8217;s will remain on the walls of each classroom in the AHS. But we do instill these unconsciously, or so I hope <img src='http://www.alexmaximo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.alexmaximo.com/2007/03/yes-and-we-have-more-jologs-discussions-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go, Ade! Go!</description>
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		<title>By: ade</title>
		<link>http://www.alexmaximo.com/2007/03/yes-and-we-have-more-jologs-discussions-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>ade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 05:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder who’s next to post a take.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That would be me. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wonder who’s next to post a take.</p></blockquote>
<p>That would be me. <img src='http://www.alexmaximo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.alexmaximo.com/2007/03/yes-and-we-have-more-jologs-discussions-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 01:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BA

Gone! Gone are the 5-Cs! Haha. They might just revoke our diplomas!

@sexy mom

Yes, it is sad. But media has got a lot to do with them. Most of them, I think, are just rebels without causes. Free expression is something different from jumping into the spiked-hair-pierced-ear bandwagon.

It&#039;s with the upbringing too. I mean I do believe that none of guys in your home have large ear-piercings where a whole 5 peso can fit, right?

And you can&#039;t even say that it&#039;s because of poverty. Where do they get the money to buy all those faddish accessories? Let&#039;s say Vince is right that they don&#039;t wash their clothes but a single pair of baggy pants from Dickies don&#039;t come cheap (and you do really hear that those items are &quot;Orijinal &#039;to, tsong!&quot;. 

It believe it&#039;d take much more than rehabs to make things work for these kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BA</p>
<p>Gone! Gone are the 5-Cs! Haha. They might just revoke our diplomas!</p>
<p>@sexy mom</p>
<p>Yes, it is sad. But media has got a lot to do with them. Most of them, I think, are just rebels without causes. Free expression is something different from jumping into the spiked-hair-pierced-ear bandwagon.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s with the upbringing too. I mean I do believe that none of guys in your home have large ear-piercings where a whole 5 peso can fit, right?</p>
<p>And you can&#8217;t even say that it&#8217;s because of poverty. Where do they get the money to buy all those faddish accessories? Let&#8217;s say Vince is right that they don&#8217;t wash their clothes but a single pair of baggy pants from Dickies don&#8217;t come cheap (and you do really hear that those items are &#8220;Orijinal &#8216;to, tsong!&#8221;. </p>
<p>It believe it&#8217;d take much more than rehabs to make things work for these kids.</p>
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		<title>By: sexy mom</title>
		<link>http://www.alexmaximo.com/2007/03/yes-and-we-have-more-jologs-discussions-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>sexy mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 01:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people have come up with a various meanings of &quot;jologs&quot;, good, bad, so so, extremes, etc.

as to the extremes, it&#039;s so sad. if that is &quot;jologs&quot;, i guess instead of frowning at them, someone has to take initiative in helping these young people get out of their being &quot;jologs&quot;, like giving them better constructive things to do, rehabilitating them when needed, so that when they grow up, they could have a positive contribution to society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people have come up with a various meanings of &#8220;jologs&#8221;, good, bad, so so, extremes, etc.</p>
<p>as to the extremes, it&#8217;s so sad. if that is &#8220;jologs&#8221;, i guess instead of frowning at them, someone has to take initiative in helping these young people get out of their being &#8220;jologs&#8221;, like giving them better constructive things to do, rehabilitating them when needed, so that when they grow up, they could have a positive contribution to society.</p>
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